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After CCNA R/S, get CCNA security or CCNP R/S?

Post by d00kies on Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:42 pm
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Hi All!

This is my first post, and I hope to remain strong to the community however I can.
Please let me know if I have violated any forum rules.

In a month, I hope to receive my CCNA Routing Switching certificate. After a few exams, I feel fairly confident I'll nab it :)

While attempting to obtain the cert. I've found myself at heart enjoying the security fundamentals of networking.

I'm in an educational networking position atm, and I understand that I might have more value in the job market with networking experience under my belt.

With this all being said, would it be a better investment for job security to obtain the next level up in routing/switching?
I could always follow through the CCNA security certs after finishing routing/switching!

Thanks all and Happy New Years!
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Re: After CCNA R/S, get CCNA security or CCNP R/S?

Post by RED- on Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:06 am
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When it comes to Cisco Certs, the more specialized the more you can market yourself. If you get CCNA Security, you could move up and/or pay raise at your job depending on where you work. You will eventually learn a large portion of CCNP throughout your working experience. By getting your CCNA Security, your work will probably use you instead of trying to hire someone else for the position (smoke 'em if you got 'em). Wait about 3 years of in the field networking. You will learn as you go. Security is a very important thing these days. If you enjoy, it go for it! Best of luck on your cert!
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Re: After CCNA R/S, get CCNA security or CCNP R/S?

Post by ghostheadx2 on Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:38 am
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I'm working on getting my CCNA in routing and switching too. I think if you work on CCNP routing and switching you will end up knowing routing and switching well. You'll have gone beyond what you need to do to know your shit in one area. Routing and switching is the standard basic networking area that you need to learn for any job that involves good networking.

I guess you could move onto a CCNA in security right now, but I'd go for CCNP and then move onto CCNA in security, then do CCNP security, and so on. This way you become well-rounded sure, but you learned each thing WELL. Even if you went all of the way for a CCIE in routing and switching, that's better than being scrambled right? I guess maybe I'm wrong. I think CCNA in routing and switching is the recommended amount of networking to do before offensive security. So if it's a recommended prereq for that then I think that it will probably be enough.

If you want to be well-rounded quicker, get the CCNA in security. I think it only will take a few more months for you to get a CCNP R/S and going by that logic, you should be able to get 4 CCNPs in a few years if you really train super hard. If your a college student and you have a few more years before graduation, I'd go for the CCNP because if you're consistent you may end up with 4 CCNPs by the end of college if you want to be a security professional with more well-rounded networking knowledge.

I'd pick the CCNA in security if you are aiming to be a security expert. Then maybe you get a CCNA in security and then a CCNP in security, and eventually a CCIE in security.

If you want to be an ethical hacker, I think you know enough that you should maybe try a linux essentials course because you probably know enough networking after getting a CCNA in routing and switching. Then maybe get a security+ cert or CCNA Sec cert will differ depending on which intensive ethical hacking cert you want to take.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not a super expert, but I've asked similar questions before and I'm describing based on info I got in my answers. I'd actually like to hear the answer from someone who is seriously skilled.
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Re: After CCNA R/S, get CCNA security or CCNP R/S?

Post by pretentious on Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:16 am
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I'm gonna play devils advocate and risk looking dumb, especially considering RED probably works in the field judging by a previous post. I don't think most of the industry even knows what the cc**'s are. I've been through several interviews even for jobs that had a special focus on networking. Most of the time I just got a 'oh, that's good' reaction from holding a ccna(once someone else explained what it was).
I hold a view that unless you're really trying to specialise for a high end corporate networking gig(as in they ask for it in the selection criteria) it's just another course in the over saturated world of 'upskilling for marketability' which is as hip a dabbing right now :P notice how the cert is only valid for like 2 years when the protocols don't change?

Action is always better than none but I'd argue to go for industry experience over embroidered paper
Goatboy wrote:Oh, that's simple. All you need to do is dedicate many years of your life to studying security.

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Re: After CCNA R/S, get CCNA security or CCNP R/S?

Post by RED- on Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:20 pm
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I'd argue to go for industry experience over embroidered paper


This is actually an constant argument when it comes to certs. Its a vary valid way of looking at it, Pretentious. I was have the same conversation with some co-workers today. A lot of companies do look for experience over certs, BUT there is an interesting tangent we met.

If you had: (not statistical, Just an example)

CCNA R&S starting = approx. 40,000 to start

CCNA R&S + CCNA Sec = approx. 40,000 to start plus job security (you'll get hired on at the same price but before the guy above)

Now lets say you've been working at a company for 8 years and you have not renewed your CCNA and CCNA Sec but you have the knowledge of a CCNP R&S. You are possibly missing out on a big raise, a higher position, you might even become management because of the CCNP R&S.

Then there is the other side of the argument that Pretentious makes. My older cousin started working at a datacenter within 3 years he had his own team and now 2 years after that a quarter of the company answers to him. Him with only CCNA R&S and CCNA Sec (does get them renewed, the company he works for pays for it if he passes). He is too busy to study for new certs.

It depends heavily on the company you work for. the tests are a globally sought after standard. Raising your-self up to a higher standard in the world will make you more sought after by companies. Personally, I would get the CCNA Sec. Companies are crazy about network security.

Best of luck in your decision, d00kies!

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