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Ethics

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:48 am
by terminus
First post! wewt!

Does anyone here actually know what ethics are? I mean besides the OED definition...

Re: Ethics

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:55 pm
by weekend hacker
well.. theres the CoS definition of it.. then theres the definition in the dictionary...

I love how they take a nice sounding word, change its meaning and then use it to controll people. Sure they have done bad things and brainwashing people is generaly bad but I can't help but admire the techniques.

Re: Ethics

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:04 pm
by TheMindRapist
Everybody has different ethics, there is no one correct definition.

Re: Ethics

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:27 pm
by weekend hacker
I agree that there are no correct definitions but I do think there are definatly WRONG definitions floating around confusing people.

Re: Ethics

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:09 pm
by TheMindRapist
Like what?

Re: Ethics

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:33 am
by Jesus_of_Suburbia
TheMindRapist wrote:Like what?


Like the misconception "To be ethical you need to do the right thing all the time always"

There is a such thing as having bad ethics, but that doesnt make you unethical ;)

dictionary.com wrote:eth·ics [eth-iks]
–plural noun
1. (used with a singular or plural verb) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.


None of that has to do with what is right and what is wrong.

Number 2 is the most important definition however, since nine times out of ten, your actions are seen as ethical or unethical by others, not yourself.

Re: Ethics

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:32 am
by TheMindRapist
What exactly do you mean by bad ethics? I suppose being unethical means having no ethics. I don't think there is such a thing as bad ethics, in the same way there is no such thing as a correct definition of ethics.

Re: Ethics

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:27 pm
by Jesus_of_Suburbia
TheMindRapist wrote:What exactly do you mean by bad ethics? I suppose being unethical means having no ethics. I don't think there is such a thing as bad ethics, in the same way there is no such thing as a correct definition of ethics.


ethics that are objectified by society.

If someone thinks it's morally acceptable to rape women, then they have bad ethics.

There is a correct definition of the word, the idea, the concept, but not what it should be. Your ethics are your ethics, they are always right to you. The idea of bad ethics would be ethics that are wrong in the eyes of society.

If a CEO of a company steals $5,000 every month to gamble away, but re-pays all he owes at the end of the quarter, he thinks it's ethical, morally sound, since he's paying his debt. But society just sees a thief, therefore he has bad ethics.

You get what i'm saying?

Re: Ethics

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:55 pm
by TheMindRapist
You seem to be saying that if a majority of people agree on something that is the definition of it being correct. Which I don't agree with. Just because many people might hold a similar set of ethical beliefs doesn't mean that they are correct. I think that ethics are largely based on your culture and upbringing, combined with personal experiences.

Re: Ethics

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:23 pm
by Jesus_of_Suburbia
TheMindRapist wrote:You seem to be saying that if a majority of people agree on something that is the definition of it being correct. Which I don't agree with. Just because many people might hold a similar set of ethical beliefs doesn't mean that they are correct. I think that ethics are largely based on your culture and upbringing, combined with personal experiences.


Not a majority, but the majority. Just because 5 people think something is right does not make it so. However when society as a whole things something is right it is.

It basically comes down to what you said, culture and upbringing.

It comes down to what is socially acceptable. It is not ok to parade around town with your dick hanging out of your pants on most occasions, therefore most of the time, wherever you go, that is concidered wrong. It comes down to this, if you wouldn't do it in the town square, odds are it's wrong, and if it's part of your ethics, you have bad ethics.