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Re: If the government were to seize my computer...

Post by fashizzlepop on Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:43 pm
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The only thing I have encrypted on my HD is the insurance file for Julian Assange.
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Re: If the government were to seize my computer...

Post by bandchicky314 on Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:40 pm
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How would I encrypt my files?
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Re: If the government were to seize my computer...

Post by insomaniacal on Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:53 pm
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There's google for questions like that, but look into TrueCrypt.
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Re: If the government were to seize my computer...

Post by bandchicky314 on Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:12 pm
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Oh yeah duh.. sorry lol. Totally going to do that. I'm a noobcake when it comes to hacking/technology/computers but I'm trying to learn so that's gotta count for something right? :lol:
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Re: If the government were to seize my computer...

Post by AnubisTheJackle on Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:39 pm
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I actually just spent most of my day today encrypting a new external hard drive using TrueCrypt. I like it because first I encrypted the entire drive, using both a key and a password. It has a GUI that makes it rather easy to do. You have to make sure that the drive is empty of any files that you wanted, because it will format the drive.

After that, I set the drive up as a secondary, redundancy backup to my current external hard drive that I use on my home server. This way if my webserver fails, and my first backup fails, I have a second backup. And this one's encrypted. I plan to remove my first backup drive and format the entire drive using TrueCrypt, but encrypting a 1.5 terabyte hard drive is...a rather time consuming process.

Anyway, after I setup the backup system, I decided that it was time to put a collection of files that I just want out of the way of prying eyes into an encrypted folder. So I used TrueCrypt again to create an encrypted file inside of the encrypted hard drive. I used a different encryption scheme, because I'm an encryption freak. I also used a key on this file system, different than the original key. So yea, if the police ever seized my computer they would spend weeks attempting to decrypt family photos and other...private...images.

At the end of the day though I wanted to private images filesystem to be unmounted unless I wanted to use it. The backup drive, which is encrypted, is still mounted most of the time, so just because the drive is encrypted doesn't make it secure. If someone managed to get physical or virtual access to my system they would be able to access the encrypted drive.

http://www.truecrypt.org/ is where you can pick up TrueCrypt. I saw earlier they have versions for Mac, Windows and Linux. I've only ever used the linux version, so can't comment on the rest, but the linux version is simple to setup, even for someone new to it. It's got very clear instructions.
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Re: If the government were to seize my computer...

Post by fashizzlepop on Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:04 pm
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I'm pretty sure the police can subpoena you for your password. Should you refuse to give it up, you can most likely be imprisoned for obstruction of justice. Have fun.
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Re: If the government were to seize my computer...

Post by msbachman on Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:15 pm
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fashizzlepop wrote:I'm pretty sure the police can subpoena you for your password. Should you refuse to give it up, you can most likely be imprisoned for obstruction of justice. Have fun.


I was skeptical of this at first; I'd think it'd clearly be within the realm of the 5th amendment but it looks like you might be right. Here are a couple of things I found that discuss that issue further:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1760700
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1839178
http://blog.simplejustice.us/2007/12/15/subpoena-quashed-for-encryption-password.aspx

That's fucked up, but depending on what they suspect one of doing, it might be preferential to just tell the cops to pound sand regardless!
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Re: If the government were to seize my computer...

Post by pretentious on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:47 pm
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fashizzlepop wrote:Should you refuse to give it up, you can most likely be imprisoned for obstruction of justice. Have fun.

That might be a more lenient sentence than what you might get when they find what's on your drive, might not.
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Re: If the government were to seize my computer...

Post by sanddbox on Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:55 pm
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fashizzlepop wrote:I'm pretty sure the police can subpoena you for your password. Should you refuse to give it up, you can most likely be imprisoned for obstruction of justice. Have fun.



And thus the concept of plausible deniability was born.
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Re: If the government were to seize my computer...

Post by fashizzlepop on Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:32 pm
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"Unauthorized" would be anything NOT SPECIFICALLY delegated as something you CAN do. If there is an open terminal and you go online without permission, that can be defined by the courts as "hacking." Seriously.
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